HONDA sticks it up the Vic Govt

Pabs · Post by **Pabs** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:29 pm

well I wrote something out and deleted the lot.
I am pissed with the lot of you K fans
so I will write something later.

I love H & K's

Post by **MadKaw** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:38 pm

Pabs wrote:well I wrote something out and deleted the lot.
I am pissed with the lot of you K fans
so I will write something later.

I love H & K's

ummm.. something upset you Pabs.. ?

I hope it wasn't my dig about Hondas having no power....
Twas only a joke...

aardvark · Post by **aardvark** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:22 pm

MadKaw wrote: I hope it wasn't my dig about Hondas having no power....
Twas only a joke...

No it wasn't.... the amount of power Honda's produce, now that's a joke.

mick_dundee · Post by **mick_dundee** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:34 pm

Smitty wrote:and we pay a 'levy' and get phark all in return....

Actually the $50 levy has been doing some good albeit not a lot of it visible and yes a lot of it has been spent on roadworks but the reality is that these roadworks do affect motorcycles and would be so far down the list in priority without the levy that we wouldn never see them get done...

There has been 3 motorcycle specific forums in Vic this year thus far facilitated by the VACC and VMAC are starting to show some nuggets in regards to the spending of the levy now, there is moves afoot to susidise rider training from that levy but I can't confirm anyhing yet, just know there are discussions ongoing so the levy whilst grossy prejudiced is at least doing motorcyclists some good...

And another Yoda, not good.... we need a pic of the new yoda me thnks to see who is the oldest wisest wrinkliest of the two

javaman · Post by **javaman** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:50 pm

$72 million for cyclist??? Farrrkk.. who the hell is going to give up the car and cycle to the city at a daily 6 degrees

Pabs · Post by **Pabs** » Fri May 26, 2006 8:08 am

On second read this morning ,I am glad that Mr Stuart Strickland is representing motorcycling industry.

I cant believe the government has allocated this $72 million on Pushies.

There so much political bullshit about these days,Yet here we are in 2006 and motorcyclist are still been mistreated/missingterpreted by pen pushers

It was my Hot Latin Blood gettin the best of me last night

you'll be glad to know I went to bed early with my Ksrc beanie on.

As far the Honda quips go,well that's nothing,you should hear Mark & I get on Sunday mornings at the PiTs.

mmamster · Post by **mmamster** » Fri May 26, 2006 11:03 am

gizmo wrote:$72million for pushies? WTF? Is the Victorian Govt on Drugs or something?
How do they justify spending that sort of coin on something that doesn't even contribute to the roads via paying rego, licence fees etc?

I think the issue is why not more spending on motorcycle promotion and infrastructure. I use both motorbikes and bicycles for transpport and recreation and I think the 72 mil is overdue. The bicycle lobby has successfully persuaded the government after years of lobbying of their message - look at bicycle victoria as a model lobby group and events like the great victorian bike ride and the Around the bay in a day as ways of involving the larger community. Time for the motorbike community to do the same, rather than shooting the successful bike boys.

mick_dundee · Post by **mick_dundee** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:40 pm

Smitty wrote:
gizmo wrote:$72million for pushies?
How do they justify spending that sort of coin on something that doesn't even contribute to the roads via paying rego, licence fees etc?
politics dear boy
the Bike Vic people have the goods on the Vic pollies

Bicycle victoria has (last I heard) 22000 members, that's a fair chunk of clout when you compare that with say the MRA who is the peak politicial body for motorcycling and has numbers far less than that.

Numbers = votes and that means pollies sit up and take notice. <rant> If the motorcycle community got behind their reps like the pushbike industry their lobbying voice would be louder and perhaps heard with some respect. </rant>

I-K · Post by **I-K** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:07 pm

gizmo wrote:How do they justify spending that sort of coin on something that doesn't even contribute to the roads via paying rego, licence fees etc?

Yeh, not to mention the nerve of them funding the building of child care centres. It's not like toddlers pay taxes...

Rego and license fees aren't for upkeep of roads; they're a fee you pay to use the roads such as they might be. The money goes into general revenue.

How much money do you suppose Honda MPE or even Kwaka Australia make in a year compared to every bikeshop in the country?

Cyclists don't have a corporate presence behind them. If they want to be noticed, they have to whinge to the government and extract false promises from them.

Motorcyclists, on the other hand...

Why isn't there a racetrack out there owned by someone like Honda MPE? Why doesn't Yamaha Australia shell out the half a million dollars Lyndon Heffernan's asking for his motocross park in Batemans Bay?

The motorcycle industry has the capital to engage in those sorts of activities on its own, without relying on government to help. They'd be raising the profile of the sector of the economy they do business in and they'd be creating more business for themselves as the general public gets drawn in...

Why don't they do that?

Phillip Island changed hands for $10 million a couple of years ago. Why was is left to Lindsay Fox to buy it?

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:47 pm

mick_dundee wrote:...Bicycle victoria has (last I heard) 22000 members, that's a fair chunk of clout when you compare that with say the MRA who is the peak politicial body for motorcycling and has numbers far less than that.

Numbers = votes and that means pollies sit up and take notice. <rant> If the motorcycle community got behind their reps like the pushbike industry their lobbying voice would be louder and perhaps heard with some respect. </rant>

Mick
there are 275,000 adults with mudderboike licences in Vic
and about 100,000 road registered bikes

and their answer to MRA or VMAC when stuff for bikes gets pushed??

..........

Stereo · Post by **Stereo** » Sat May 27, 2006 7:44 am

In Holland scooters are allowed to travel on cyclepaths... Recently they have been taxed out of existance, but a few years ago there were litterally millions of them, that means millions of cars less on the roads....

In Auckland motorcycles are allowed to travel in bus lanes which are everywhere...

gizmo · Post by **gizmo** » Sat May 27, 2006 11:40 am

aardvark wrote:
MadKaw wrote: I hope it wasn't my dig about Hondas having no power....
Twas only a joke...
No it wasn't.... the amount of power Honda's produce, now that's a joke.

No your response was a joke!
I had a good giggle out of your response!!

gizmo · Post by **gizmo** » Sat May 27, 2006 11:43 am

mmamster wrote:
gizmo wrote:$72million for pushies? WTF? Is the Victorian Govt on Drugs or something?
How do they justify spending that sort of coin on something that doesn't even contribute to the roads via paying rego, licence fees etc?
I think the issue is why not more spending on motorcycle promotion and infrastructure. I use both motorbikes and bicycles for transpport and recreation and I think the 72 mil is overdue. The bicycle lobby has successfully persuaded the government after years of lobbying of their message - look at bicycle victoria as a model lobby group and events like the great victorian bike ride and the Around the bay in a day as ways of involving the larger community. Time for the motorbike community to do the same, rather than shooting the successful bike boys.

I don't have issues with them spending some money on Bicycles, But $72million, Feck that's alot of coin for something that doesn't get charged rego/levy/licence or pay the fuel excise that is supposed to be spent on roads.

Why $72 & not $7.2million? Where's it all go????

gizmo · Post by **gizmo** » Sat May 27, 2006 11:46 am

I-K wrote:
gizmo wrote:How do they justify spending that sort of coin on something that doesn't even contribute to the roads via paying rego, licence fees etc?
Yeh, not to mention the nerve of them funding the building of child care centres. It's not like toddlers pay taxes...

Rego and license fees aren't for upkeep of roads; they're a fee you pay to use the roads such as they might be. The money goes into general revenue.

How much money do you suppose Honda MPE or even Kwaka Australia make in a year compared to every bikeshop in the country?

Cyclists don't have a corporate presence behind them. If they want to be noticed, they have to whinge to the government and extract false promises from them.

Motorcyclists, on the other hand...

Why isn't there a racetrack out there owned by someone like Honda MPE? Why doesn't Yamaha Australia shell out the half a million dollars Lyndon Heffernan's asking for his motocross park in Batemans Bay?

The motorcycle industry has the capital to engage in those sorts of activities on its own, without relying on government to help. They'd be raising the profile of the sector of the economy they do business in and they'd be creating more business for themselves as the general public gets drawn in...

Why don't they do that?

Phillip Island changed hands for $10 million a couple of years ago. Why was is left to Lindsay Fox to buy it?

Actually Child care centres tend to be VERY PROFITABLE, just look at Eddy's new Ferrari! Parents pay for childcare & in some cases there employer pays for it. Certainly not a $72 million handout.....

SocialSecurity · Post by **SocialSecurity** » Sat May 27, 2006 12:58 pm

personally i dont really like the idea of only needing a car licence to ride a 50cc scooter... but then if there isnt any real increase in accidents/fatalities for states that allow it compared to states that dont allow it, then maybe its not so bad...

either way, what it really sounds like to me is that Mr Honda isnt very happy that its not selling enough 50cc scooters in Victoria