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Cruisers crash just as often as sports bikes in my view.
Getting car drivers to spend some time on a scooter or bike sounds nice, but as has been mentioned there are some people that just can't ride - you're just asking to increase the numbers more.

I agree with almost everything else that's been said.
- making getting a license more expensive is counter-productive - plus, some people are made of money, hence they buy the latest greatest and most expensive ASAP.
- riding is our responsibility - with respect to speeding, road condition, riding with others, whatever - IT'S OUR CALL!
- I think everyone should do extra training - should it be compulsory? I'm not sure. Extra training is quite expensive, should those who can't afford it be denied? I don't think so - there are some riders out there who, while they may benefit from and want to have extra training, are quite accomplished without it. Of the regulars I ride with Matt and I are the only one's who have had further training (I think) - does this make the others 'bad' riders? Absolutely not.
- cops can be subjective (my only speeding ticket was for less that I was actually doing) but don't have to be and shouldn't be expected to be. Start treating laws as flexible and where does it stop?

Take responsibility for your own actions. If cops are targetted a group there's normally a reason for it. Just don't be one of those giving them more reason.

Personally I have no problem riding during Double-Demerits, blitz's or whenever else cops are particularly active. They're doing their job and so long as I behave I won't have a problem. I enjoy riding my bike - heavy traffic, heavy rain, heavy cops, or none of them doesn't matter - it's still fun.

Enjoy yourselves, be good, and just stay away from those who can't ride. They're easy to spot.
ty

I love the way that people say

"If you wanna speed, do it on the track" but if you look around, tracks and availability of those track is minimal.... So how do you "do it on the track"?

I'm not saying that government should pay for tracks... But it seems to me that the government could assist in other areas and that a private company could make money out of it.... Possibly free up some land which is useless for anything else... close to the city.....

also no GST on tires, and safety equipment....

My girlfriend has a run i with a mob of idiots on bikes on Sunday. she turned off king georges rd onto the M5 with a group of 5-7 squids a fair way behind her. She got caught behind a slow car in the left lane, checked the right lane, and the group of bikes were 30m+ behind her and not getting any closer. She figured it was enough room to perform an overtaking manouvre on the slowcoach. (She admitted she was VERY aware of how fast bikes can accelerate, something to do with being a pillion with me apparently ) She changed lanes, and got level with the car she was overtaking.

At this point the dickheads decided to scream up behind her and keep no more than a foot off her arse, beeping their horns, swerving from side to side and revving the hell outta their engines and just coming within inches of her towbar. She said she couldnt put the brakes on, as she'd hit the idiots, so continued her overtaking move.

She started to move left, and had one of them cut between her and the car she was overtaking, she nearly hit him. (an added disadvantage to her and something i look out for in cars when I'm riding was that her leftside mirror was broken, it was taken out on the same road by a semi that decided to drift over a metre into her in the right lane last week).

She changed to the left lane, and then had the idiots all group together to the right of her car sticking their fingers up at her and yelling at her through their visors.

Later on in the M5 tunnel, traffic was flowing at normal speed (60-80km/h) and the knobs were lane splitting, doing the kill switch *pop* trick and even pulling wheelies right between the cars. Apparently some poor asian driver nearly hit the cement side barriers to avoid hitting the frickin idiots.


She said & i totally agree that if idiots on bikes are pulling this kind of shit, no fuggin wonder that bikes are so frowned upon / hated by so many.

Balanse mentioned about govt's banning sportsbikes. Well Paul Gibson (pollie and head of Staysafe) has already brought this up earlier in the year, in response to a complete moron who wrote himself off doing a wheelie the day after he got his 1200.

As has been pointed out already, you cant legislate against stupidity. The guys dad and mates had begged him not to buy it "cause he'd kill himself on it" but he did anyway. Whose is the ultimate responsibility here? The family? The bike shop? The RTA?

No. It was his fault, and his alone. It was just fortunate he didnt take someone else with him. No amount of fines or rider training is ever going to help someone with an attitude like that.

But I do think that it would be an improvement if rider training was standardised across all the states and territories. My cousin lives in Qld and it was ridiculously easy for her to get her licence compared to here.

I'm a slow careful rider and make no apologies for it.

Elrond dead right mate!

But I do think that it would be an improvement if rider training was standardised across all the states and territories. My cousin lives in Qld and it was ridiculously easy for her to get her licence compared to here.

Yup that is right.

ty wrote:
- making getting a license more expensive is counter-productive - plus, some people are made of money, hence they buy the latest greatest and most expensive ASAP.
Enjoy yourselves, be good, and just stay away from those who can't ride. They're easy to spot.
ty

dont forget...a lot of the tools who ride DONT have licences....or arent licenced to ride that size bike neway...so making a licence dearer aint gunna do shit...

been thinking about it all day, and i think the best option is the kitty litter/air fence option...

Neka for pm??

VOTE 1 NEKA:P lol

that's a good point neka.
hell, i don't come off restrictions until july 4th.

i know a bloke who hasn't got a license cos he was caught doin 200+ through a 50 zone, who rides an '03 R1 regularly towards the 300 mark.
but can't corner.

I agree with what Jason and alot of you have said..

Just to add my few cents worth....

Rider training= yes
Restricted classes= Yes

Ok, my opinion some of which has been mentioned above is to have riders start on a 250cc and can only move to 600cc class after a certain time on the bike say 1 year+ and have done a training course or courses to suit and been marked as competent. Same for the next class to 750cc then to open class, the open class could only be obtained after say 5 years of logged riding which effectively would only allow a person with the 5 years experience or/and 2000hrs? and the required training to get such a licence.

Ok that may be expensive some might say, but how about insurance co's giving discounts on policies if the rider has done course "x" or course "y" and time actually on a bike.

Look at pilots training, ok it is a far more serious affair flying an aircraft but I think something along simular lines is the go, why not?
If you seriously want to ride a bike or fly a plane then you will accept the training right, I would.

as far as making restricted classes, this may be a good thing. but puting a time on it is crap.
if anyone wants to say i can't handle my 9, they can go shove it up they're arse. cos i'm safer on that than my zxr250.
make me set a test to get a 9. cool.
tell me i cant do that test until i've been riding for 3 years, bullshit.

diesel wrote:as far as making restricted classes, this may be a good thing. but puting a time on it is crap.
if anyone wants to say i can't handle my 9, they can go shove it up they're arse. cos i'm safer on that than my zxr250.
make me set a test to get a 9. cool.
tell me i cant do that test until i've been riding for 3 years, bullshit.

u cant handle ur 9...

u cant ride the bike for 3 yrs..i said so..

piss off ya tool.

bad things will happen to you one day neka.

diesel wrote:bad things will happen to you one day neka.

One day? Mate, they've been happening since day 1. Have you seen his head???

diesel wrote:as far as making restricted classes, this may be a good thing. but puting a time on it is crap.
...tell me i cant do that test until i've been riding for 3 years, bullshit.

The point of putting a time on it is nothing to do with how skilled you are, it is this: attitude.

It means you don't have 19 year olds riding ultra fast bikes, being 19 year old riding ultra fast bikes. I would never drive like I did at 19...if I had a bike...RIP me I reckon...

i'm 21.
and IMO a zxr250 is ultra fast. well it felt like it was when i first got on it.

don't generalise that all younguns are stupid and will kill 'emselves. that's what i'm sayin. base the licenses on aquired skills tests.