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Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:02 am
by ducati_paul
MadKaw wrote:Engine covers that contain oil that will contact the ground in a crash...
And it doesn't matter if you have crash knobs! for the sake of the rules they ignore them, so you can't say "it wouldn't contact because the crash would hit first"

And by the way, they don't have to be CF, they can be Fibreglass or Aluminium or steel ... stuff like that

Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:58 am
by simidau
ducati_paul wrote:
And it doesn't matter if you have crash knobs! for the sake of the rules they ignore them, so you can't say "it wouldn't contact because the crash would hit first"

And by the way, they don't have to be CF, they can be Fibreglass or Aluminium or steel ... stuff like that

Right on the money. Quite important piece of information for budding racers preparing a bike.
Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:53 pm
by photomike666
ducati_paul wrote:MadKaw wrote:Engine covers that contain oil that will contact the ground in a crash...
And it doesn't matter if you have crash knobs! for the sake of the rules they ignore them, so you can't say "it wouldn't contact because the crash would hit first"

And by the way, they don't have to be CF, they can be Fibreglass or Aluminium or steel ... stuff like that

Sounds like time to have some fun with the fiberglass kit - not that it would do any more than the fiberglass fairings anyway.
Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:10 pm
by Wattie
photomike666 wrote:ducati_paul wrote:MadKaw wrote:Engine covers that contain oil that will contact the ground in a crash...
And it doesn't matter if you have crash knobs! for the sake of the rules they ignore them, so you can't say "it wouldn't contact because the crash would hit first"

And by the way, they don't have to be CF, they can be Fibreglass or Aluminium or steel ... stuff like that

Sounds like time to have some fun with the fiberglass kit - not that it would do any more than the fiberglass fairings anyway.
erm.... i belive the MOM says composite material of carbon or kevlar. wheres madkaw? he has the MOM, the wording does mean carbon or kevlar.
Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:22 pm
by Gosling1
The only 2 composite materials that are legal, are kevlar or carbon-fibre. You won't get through scrutineering with fibreglass covers ! Its in the current MOMS (Manual of Motor Sports.)
Steel or aluminium covers are fine, as are stock covers that have been reinforced with welded-on sections. You can't glue on a piece of nylon breadboard ! (don't laugh, I have seen this ....)

Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:32 am
by simidau
Just a little info for anyone wondering some of the talk in here.
MOMS = Manual of Motorcycle Sport = General Competition Rules = GCRs
You can download the PDF version from
http://www.ma.org.au/Content/MA/FormsRu ... orcycl.htm
so anyone interested can grab a copy without cost or MA membership.
Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:31 am
by ducati_paul
Gosling1 wrote:The only 2 composite materials that are legal, are kevlar or carbon-fibre. You won't get through scrutineering with fibreglass covers ! Its in the current MOMS (Manual of Motor Sports.)
I stand corrected!
(actually I'm sitting but you know what I mean!)
Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:00 am
by the kid
Gosling1 wrote: You can't glue on a piece of nylon breadboard ! (don't laugh, I have seen this ....)

But I think the bread board is fine if it has 3 bolts through it .
When you change to water in the coolant system , drain and save it . Drop the water after replace the coolant with glycol based stuff to help preserve the ally inside the engine . Bit of a pain , but the green glycol stuff is better if the bike is not going to be used for a while between meetings .
HTH
Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:13 am
by Gosling1
yeh good call Billy.....and MSTevo was wondering the other night about 'legal' additives ?? I am sure there was something out there that could be added to the radiator, which raises the BP, but is *not* glycol, and is therefore legal to use ?? Anyone know what this stuff is ??
DP - no worries mate

- still need a pit biatch for BSFOS ??

Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:48 am
by simidau
Gosling1 wrote:yeh good call Billy.....and MSTevo was wondering the other night about 'legal' additives ?? I am sure there was something out there that could be added to the radiator, which raises the BP, but is *not* glycol, and is therefore legal to use ?? Anyone know what this stuff is ??
DP - no worries mate

- still need a pit biatch for BSFOS ??

MOMS - 15.2.1.5: The only liquid coolant permitted is water.
Non glycol additives are not yet permitted in Australian racing circles. I have also heard about such safe additives however they are not recognised here yet.
Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:19 pm
by Gosling1
thanks Simon - it was a while ago that I read about this stuff......I think it was the FX guys that were trying to get it allowed.....

Re: Engine covers and Race preping on a budget.!
Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:33 am
by the kid
I tried a non glycol water replacement that had notes on the package about how it was non slippery and approved for racing etc , and had to drain it and replace with water after the scutineers saw it was green .
Wonder why Stevo has an overheating issue ?