QLD: 2nd speeding offence in 2 yrs = double points.

[mike-s]

as per my terse "subject", do you think this will work? or will it be one of those half arsed things withdrawn for some reason or another.
Linky 1

QUEENSLAND motorists caught repeatedly exceeding the speed limit by more than 20 kph will lose double demerit points.

The extra demerit points will apply for second and subsequent speeding offences, starting from next Thursday, state Transport Minister Paul Lucas announced today.

The penalties would be in place all year round.

"Speeding is dangerous, and my Government makes no apologies for penalising drivers who repeatedly break the law and endanger themselves, innocent passengers and other road users," he said.

Fines would not be increased, because it was not a revenue raising exercise, said the minister.

"A driver could easily lose their licence with a repeat offence, which is a strong incentive to avoid speeding."

Last year, speeding contributed to more than 20 per cent of the state's road deaths, said Mr Lucas.

Link 2 (PDF)

[varden]

What about the QLD proposal to confiscate the vehicles of motorists that engage police in highspeed chases....And slap em with a $15,000 fine or 3 years jail!!!

Goodbye bike

Goodbye money

Goodbye freedom

Now where did i put my sporties application pack......

[MadKaw]

Why does it say
"QUEENSLAND motorists caught repeatedly exceeding the speed"
and then
"The extra demerit points will apply for second and subsequent speeding offences"

So the first one is repeatedly then..?????

[ZZRCHIKKY]

of course motorbike riders are gunan say no


riding a bike is all about being fast !!!!

[Barrabob]

Well they are trying to reduce the road toll in Queensland expressed as a number but the population keeps growing.

I am working towards just having a track bike because they target recreational riders as street hoons in SEQ its great for the coppers kpi and keeps the relevant ministers happy and me out of a job.

Dont know why they havnt brought back the horse and cart personally when you look at the road toll and their doing their big road toll campains its quite often a bus load of out of towners /tourists that meet grief and knock up numbers maybe they could bring in everybody has lock them selves indoors for 4 days or whatever for saftey cause if they dont drive anywhere they will just have to make sure they dont spill their hot cup of tea on their lap or their new doiley.

Must be getting sick of the runners but if you look at the fines and penalties and their methods of enfocement you would know why they run, needs to be a bit of comon sence applied.

SPEED DOESNT CAUSE COLLISIONS SHIT DRIVERS DO WHERES THE EDUCATION FOR THE SHIT DRIVERS

[mike-s]

Speaking of which, ive been talking to someone else i know about seriously getting a run of stickers put together that say something like "Speed doesn't kill, bad driving does". he's been quoted a ungodly high price for the stickers, might have to ask dave about where he got his 10000000000000001 KSRC stickers printed.

[Barrabob]

And to make matters worse in the last week i have had a chainsaw/mower/pushbike stolen out of my garage and you would expect it to be pretty easy to make a report of that theft but no i have to drag my butt down to the copshop to do that, they dont realise how life threatening it is if i catch the fuckers.

[ZZRCHIKKY]

i actually dont think id go fast on a qld road, there to crappy to risk it !


maybe they just wanna get our money so they can fix the roads.

or not...

[aardvark]

SPEED DOESNT CAUSE COLLISIONS SHIT DRIVERS DO WHERES THE EDUCATION FOR THE SHIT DRIVERS

Speed doesn't always cause crashes, but it does lead to fatality and serious injury.

It's all about harm minimization. Since the government can't detect fatigue, inattention or a lot of other factors that cause crashes the best they can do is force us to slow down, so when we do crash, it doesn't hurt as much.

I was speaking to another person today, who recently read a paper about Scandanavia's efforts to reduce the road toll in country locations. Apparently they have installed 3 way roads on pretty much their entire rural road network. That is, A lane in each direction, plus an overtaking lane for one of those directions. They then have a WRB between the 2 lanes and the single lane and also at the edge of the road. The direction for the overtaking lane changes every so often.

This stops people from leaving the road and hitting trees and also prevents head ons. Alledgedly, they have reduced their road toll by some 90%!!

I know a lot of motorcyclists have concerns with regards to WRB's (myself included), but there is some ongoing testing with regards to that, and it seems that it may not be the problem many believe it to be.

With the vast expanse that is the Australian rural road network, upgrading the roads is a lengthy and expensive operation, but I suggest we'll see it happen here in the near future.

[ninja9]

Is it safer to travel at 20kph over the limit and maintain a 2-3 second gap from the vehicle in front, or travel at the posted limit with the traffic bunched up and no bastard giving you a 2-3 second buffer?? I know what I prefer. Surely more accidents, and multiple vehicle, occur due to tailgating.

I know that when I was in Germany they had tailgating cameras that judged the timing between 2 vehicles in the same lane and operated like a speed camera. It seemed to work over there and people didn't sit up your arse trying to force you out of their way.

[Barrabob]

I will go with anytime you are on the wrong side of the road performing a overtaking manouver or clipping a corner you lifes in danger so i avoid doing those on a bike and usually leave enough room to get around something in a small bus rather than what i need for my bike and always stay in my lane up the twisties.

during last years gp week there where signs everywhere on the billboards telling people to watch out for bikes.

I kinda agree that you are safer in front of a car doing 10kph over the speed limit than punting along in its blind spot wondering if it has seen you and remembers that you are there.

If nothing else the new points system will do great things for the public transport system.

Hey Ardvark will you take the report for my missing gear they even stole the catcher which i hadnt got to putting together yet, the local plods will if i turn up at a station and their not too busy doing other things.

[Felix]

Speed doesn't always cause crashes, but it does lead to fatality and serious injury.

It's all about harm minimization...

Taken to it's logical extent, then the only safe speed then is zero. But then cars and bikes become rather, useless.

It just shows how un-serious and un-imaginative they are in trying to deal with the problem.

Lets look at pilots. Even for your easiest aviation licence, it is still quite hard to get. It is a BIG DEAL to get a pilots licence. I've seen people that aren't fit to look after a pet rock happily jump in their car and drive away, running red lights, crunching into other cars in the parking lot, etc...not to mention the idiots that tailgate on the motorways at 120kph in the pouring rain...

Yep, the only quantifiable metric the government has for BAD DRIVING is - speed. It is easily measured, so far pretty successfully demonised, but will targetting it work? So far, no.

It is all crap, and basically smoke and mirrors for the fact that they don't want to outlay a cent of OUR money from state revenue into trying something really worthwhile, a bit different and perhaps a bit radical.

[Barrabob]

hmm maybe some big look out for these signs with pictures of green bikes, ala the phillip island at moto gptime might jog some memories for the people picnicing in their rangerovers rather than the mouldy old motercylist danger area signs they have at them moment and i heard on the grapevine ( because its been so long since i was allowed on the road) that they are doing double layer armco up mount glourious at the moment to stop bikes getting stuck under it.

Driver awareness is part of the answer and not just for the bikes and stick it on the billboards in the appropiate places where the tourists picnicers can see it as well.

Bit of a kill sheet on some of these roads wouldnt hurt either, I noticed one on one of the spurs on my way home so every time a ambulance / chopper is required add one to the toll and attempt to get a bit of local suport.

[aardvark]

Hey Ardvark will you take the report for my missing gear

Yep, I'll let you know when I'm in the station.

I've seen people that aren't fit to look after a pet rock happily jump in their car and drive away, running red lights, crunching into other cars in the parking lot, etc...not to mention the idiots that tailgate on the motorways at 120kph in the pouring rain...

These are the people the traffic laws are written for. Imagine if the speed limits where 100 in a 60 zone, or 180 on the highway!!

Yep, the only quantifiable metric the government has for BAD DRIVING is - speed. It is easily measured, so far pretty successfully demonised, but will targetting it work?

Yes, it will. Since the introduction of speed detection in the 70's, crash fatalities are about half. Sure, the rate has remained the same for many years, but the population of the country has also increased. (I think from around 12 million people in 1970, up to around 18 million people today).

the fact that they don't want to outlay a cent of OUR money from state revenue into trying something really worthwhile, a bit different and perhaps a bit radical.

I'm not having a go at you mate, but what do you suggest? It's not all smoke and mirrors. It's all they've got. The people who put these laws in place are actually serious able reducing the road toll. If you have some ground breaking idea for doing so, and can back it up by research, then find some way to suggest it to government. If there hasn't been any research, apply for a grant.

[Gosling1]

... Imagine if the speed limits where .... 180 on the highway!! .....

well, not many people would be caught breaking the speed limit .........which would reduce the current revenue base *considerably*....

The problem with Qld is the road conditions anywhere outside a 150km radius of Brisneyland. They are, quite simply, the most shithouse roads in the country. This is the root cause of the problem, not speeding per se.

You can speed on the Hume Highway at 160kmh all day, and live to tell the tale, day after day after day. Speed does *NOT* kill, in this example. The simple fact is that the condition of the Hume Highway is *good* enough to allow you to travel at speeds higher than the posted limit........

what kills in this situation is driver error/mobile phone/eating your Maccas/getting a blowie/whatever......